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		<title>Comment on Contact by Isabella Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Isabella Katz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been searching for a poem called, The Pope&#039;s Penis. I thought it was written by Sharon Olds. Can&#039;t seem to find it, though i once read it. Can you help?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been searching for a poem called, The Pope&#8217;s Penis. I thought it was written by Sharon Olds. Can&#8217;t seem to find it, though i once read it. Can you help?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poem of the Week: Niina Pollari by Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 10:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is just such a good poem. i showed up here fairly randomly.  but this is just such. a. good. poem.  thku]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is just such a good poem. i showed up here fairly randomly.  but this is just such. a. good. poem.  thku</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poem of the Week: Jenny Zhang by Mike</title>
		<link>https://thethepoetry.com/2014/05/poem-of-the-week-jenny-zhang/comment-page-1/#comment-1942</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2014 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;against women who want to have babies with men who are not allowed to be part of their lives after they have the baby&#039;



That&#039;s a great line. It makes me angry and I&#039;m not sure why. At the same time, just from her voice, I get the feeling Ms. Zhang knows. 

Great stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;against women who want to have babies with men who are not allowed to be part of their lives after they have the baby&#8217;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great line. It makes me angry and I&#8217;m not sure why. At the same time, just from her voice, I get the feeling Ms. Zhang knows. </p>
<p>Great stuff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;For Lack of Diamond Years&#8221;: the macro and micro dimensions of mythic perception by Alexandria Peary</title>
		<link>https://thethepoetry.com/2014/03/caroline-beasley-bakers-for-lack-of-diamond-years/comment-page-1/#comment-1941</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alexandria Peary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2014 10:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a psychologically perceptive essay! I&#039;m headed straight-out to find Caroline Beasley-Baker&#039;s work. (Alexandria Peary)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a psychologically perceptive essay! I&#8217;m headed straight-out to find Caroline Beasley-Baker&#8217;s work. (Alexandria Peary)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Notes on reading David Foster Wallace&#8217;s short story &#8220;John Billy&#8221; by Stephen</title>
		<link>https://thethepoetry.com/2011/04/notes-on-reading-david-foster-wallaces-short-story-john-billy/comment-page-1/#comment-1940</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 07:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the insights I don&#039;t agree that DFW is being condescending to his narrator character however, to me, although the man is clearly not middle class, he has a gift for language and is intelligent if poorly educated fully aware of his inventions such as &quot;interjaculated&quot;.  This story needs to be read out loud in an an Oklahoma accent to fully understand its extraordinary poetic comedy. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the insights I don&#8217;t agree that DFW is being condescending to his narrator character however, to me, although the man is clearly not middle class, he has a gift for language and is intelligent if poorly educated fully aware of his inventions such as &#8220;interjaculated&#8221;.  This story needs to be read out loud in an an Oklahoma accent to fully understand its extraordinary poetic comedy. </p>
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		<title>Comment on I create the whole universe blink by blink by cephas7</title>
		<link>https://thethepoetry.com/2010/04/i-create-the-whole-universe-blink-by-blink/comment-page-1/#comment-1939</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cephas7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But do we create or recognize what &quot;is?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But do we create or recognize what &#8220;is?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Edit Poems in a Workshop (Towards a Different Kind of Workshop, Part III) by George Held</title>
		<link>https://thethepoetry.com/2010/10/how-to-edit-poems-in-a-workshop-towards-a-different-kind-of-workshop-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-1938</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Held]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of the Williams you say no line exceeds 5 syllables, but there&#039;s this: &quot;is covered with broken.&quot; Which coach attends to this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the Williams you say no line exceeds 5 syllables, but there&#8217;s this: &#8220;is covered with broken.&#8221; Which coach attends to this?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poem(s) of the Week: Kazim Ali by Laila Laura</title>
		<link>https://thethepoetry.com/2013/12/poems-of-the-week-kazim-ali/comment-page-1/#comment-1937</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laila Laura]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2014 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love this poem The Prayer by Kazim Ali it powerful words emotion...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this poem The Prayer by Kazim Ali it powerful words emotion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Not Done With Her Changes: A Review of Maria Mazziotti Gillan&#8217;s “The Silence in an Empty House” by Natalya Mourad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Natalya Mourad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love is something kind, something you breathe in so easily something that gives you feelings that never show without it. that brings the best in you, tingles of endless bliss]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love is something kind, something you breathe in so easily something that gives you feelings that never show without it. that brings the best in you, tingles of endless bliss</p>
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		<title>Comment on Forgotten Poet of the Day: Denise Levertov by Charlie13</title>
		<link>https://thethepoetry.com/2013/11/forgotten-poet-of-the-day-denise-levertov/comment-page-1/#comment-1935</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlie13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2014 20:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea that a poet as wonderful as Levertov, whom I have held as one of my exemplars since I first read her poem &#039;The Goddess&#039; -- which opens &#039;She in whose lipservice/ I passed my time/ whose name I knew/ but not her face/ came upon me where I lay in Lie Castle! // Flung me across the room, and... &#039;  --They were, and are, direct words, imitative of nothing and no one, and they still conduct me into the immediacy of her vision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that a poet as wonderful as Levertov, whom I have held as one of my exemplars since I first read her poem &#8216;The Goddess&#8217; &#8212; which opens &#8216;She in whose lipservice/ I passed my time/ whose name I knew/ but not her face/ came upon me where I lay in Lie Castle! // Flung me across the room, and&#8230; &#8216;  &#8211;They were, and are, direct words, imitative of nothing and no one, and they still conduct me into the immediacy of her vision.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poetry Scenes: Seattle by anon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[are you talking about Seattle or the West Coast? Washington and Oregon peeps DO NOT like being lumped in with California.- It&#039;s a completely different thing. It&#039;s like referring to Florida as the East Coast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you talking about Seattle or the West Coast? Washington and Oregon peeps DO NOT like being lumped in with California.- It&#8217;s a completely different thing. It&#8217;s like referring to Florida as the East Coast.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Notes from A White Working Class That No Longer Exists (or what I have learned while being in the higher realms) by Semper_5</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Semper_5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every Poem-A-day mailout I get seems to be a whole gaggle of upper-middle-class people from the world of academia; hell, the history of the arts could be judged as such. 

Anyway, I&#039;ve tried to get published and have had no luck. One could indeed infer it&#039;s a class club. I&#039;ve even asked a few times for ay kind of feedback as to why my work is unworthy for publication and get these half-assed non-committal aversions. You start digging and find things like ghostwriters, PR agents, trust funds, familial hookups, and all the other little Oompa Lompas of BSing pushing whoever has the cash or the pedigree to play adult make-believe. Never just good work getting it&#039;s due. 

And because we&#039;ve been told it&#039;s a &quot;meritocracy&quot; you do start cultivating those sour grapes like in your article here... what else do you have? Money allows people to pretend to be whatever they want. And if you&#039;re just a guy with a job and a love of the art then you have little hope to play the game too; unless you have something novel about you like alcoholism or drug addiction for rich folk to latch onto in order to give themselves &quot;street cred&quot; and teenagers to latch onto because a petty level of &quot;naughty&quot; behavior is the only standard they grade things to - never just the work. Never what&#039;s being said. &quot;Gild the bars of the petty cages we&#039;ve built - tell us our ugliness is beautiful and our deceptions noble&quot;. That&#039;s all they want you to do.

When the culture no longer studies the craft of poetry, painting, and music then the tools to discern what is good from what is merely artifice and posturing is gone - and all we&#039;re left with are the same rich posers; who come in all shades and dominate every industry. Skin color doesn&#039;t come into the class club - your ability to play pretend is all that counts. Ever seen a Warhol painting? The Emperor&#039;s New Reality - the one we&#039;re living in.

Art is supposed to be a dialog about what it is to be human and to feel and to be alive... and in that respect nothing has changed Art is now about how well you become a brand, live a lie, and what you have to offer people to buy and buy into. Hypocrisy is a given. A human centipede of fictitious persona gnawing at each other in the hopes of ascending the coil. And, ultimately, a place-holder of pretentious name-dropping, thuggery, or gaudy noise where Art used to be. Art has become irrelevant unless it&#039;s a mirror of our own lie of who we want to be perceived as. It&#039;s the necessary prop in the costume of pretending to be an artist.

But distracted by this noise, and the game-show histrionics,  we never have to face ourselves and self-awareness. Never face the fact we are so fragile and impermanent, that we&#039;re here to go. Never have to face the fact that all culture is just make-believe. And as the scientist wants us to know - We come from Nothing and we go to Nowhere, and forever and ever; Amen. 



I guess even in it&#039;s plasticity and venality art can never lie. So it goes, huh? So it goes. The ultimate and final work of the species could be the installation of our own extinction. 



But there&#039;s always hope - they can&#039;t take that away from you. Keep working. Art is what is created despite the fakers and the phoneys not because of them. Keep going.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every Poem-A-day mailout I get seems to be a whole gaggle of upper-middle-class people from the world of academia; hell, the history of the arts could be judged as such. </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ve tried to get published and have had no luck. One could indeed infer it&#8217;s a class club. I&#8217;ve even asked a few times for ay kind of feedback as to why my work is unworthy for publication and get these half-assed non-committal aversions. You start digging and find things like ghostwriters, PR agents, trust funds, familial hookups, and all the other little Oompa Lompas of BSing pushing whoever has the cash or the pedigree to play adult make-believe. Never just good work getting it&#8217;s due. </p>
<p>And because we&#8217;ve been told it&#8217;s a &#8220;meritocracy&#8221; you do start cultivating those sour grapes like in your article here&#8230; what else do you have? Money allows people to pretend to be whatever they want. And if you&#8217;re just a guy with a job and a love of the art then you have little hope to play the game too; unless you have something novel about you like alcoholism or drug addiction for rich folk to latch onto in order to give themselves &#8220;street cred&#8221; and teenagers to latch onto because a petty level of &#8220;naughty&#8221; behavior is the only standard they grade things to &#8211; never just the work. Never what&#8217;s being said. &#8220;Gild the bars of the petty cages we&#8217;ve built &#8211; tell us our ugliness is beautiful and our deceptions noble&#8221;. That&#8217;s all they want you to do.</p>
<p>When the culture no longer studies the craft of poetry, painting, and music then the tools to discern what is good from what is merely artifice and posturing is gone &#8211; and all we&#8217;re left with are the same rich posers; who come in all shades and dominate every industry. Skin color doesn&#8217;t come into the class club &#8211; your ability to play pretend is all that counts. Ever seen a Warhol painting? The Emperor&#8217;s New Reality &#8211; the one we&#8217;re living in.</p>
<p>Art is supposed to be a dialog about what it is to be human and to feel and to be alive&#8230; and in that respect nothing has changed Art is now about how well you become a brand, live a lie, and what you have to offer people to buy and buy into. Hypocrisy is a given. A human centipede of fictitious persona gnawing at each other in the hopes of ascending the coil. And, ultimately, a place-holder of pretentious name-dropping, thuggery, or gaudy noise where Art used to be. Art has become irrelevant unless it&#8217;s a mirror of our own lie of who we want to be perceived as. It&#8217;s the necessary prop in the costume of pretending to be an artist.</p>
<p>But distracted by this noise, and the game-show histrionics,  we never have to face ourselves and self-awareness. Never face the fact we are so fragile and impermanent, that we&#8217;re here to go. Never have to face the fact that all culture is just make-believe. And as the scientist wants us to know &#8211; We come from Nothing and we go to Nowhere, and forever and ever; Amen. </p>
<p>I guess even in it&#8217;s plasticity and venality art can never lie. So it goes, huh? So it goes. The ultimate and final work of the species could be the installation of our own extinction. </p>
<p>But there&#8217;s always hope &#8211; they can&#8217;t take that away from you. Keep working. Art is what is created despite the fakers and the phoneys not because of them. Keep going.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poem of the Week by Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2014 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an interesting poet I found on squidoo:

http://www.squidoo.com/poetry-poetry-and-more-poetry]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting poet I found on squidoo:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.squidoo.com/poetry-poetry-and-more-poetry" rel="nofollow">http://www.squidoo.com/poetry-poetry-and-more-poetry</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Poem of the Week: Loren Kleinman by Von Rupert</title>
		<link>https://thethepoetry.com/2014/03/poem-of-the-week-loren-kleinman-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1931</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Von Rupert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really powerful writing. I love the simplicity of the language--it&#039;s raw, vivid, and approachable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really powerful writing. I love the simplicity of the language&#8211;it&#8217;s raw, vivid, and approachable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poem of the Week: Ned Balbo by Josh Lefkowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Lefkowitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was lovely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was lovely.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poem of the Week: Loren Kleinman by Ross McPherson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross McPherson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 02:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You got me with this one the moment you straddled the curb. A raw experience but with a vagrant&#039;s discipline, finding the right spots to lie down and light up. You lost me just a little bit after you became your own country, guttering out in short sentences, the vagrant&#039;s shuffle, I suppose, but leaving me feeling a bit disconnected from your meaning. But I am old fashioned. I would have rung your mum and told her to come and collect you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got me with this one the moment you straddled the curb. A raw experience but with a vagrant&#8217;s discipline, finding the right spots to lie down and light up. You lost me just a little bit after you became your own country, guttering out in short sentences, the vagrant&#8217;s shuffle, I suppose, but leaving me feeling a bit disconnected from your meaning. But I am old fashioned. I would have rung your mum and told her to come and collect you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poem of the Week: Ned Balbo by Ross McPherson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross McPherson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 01:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beautiful poem. I read it right through before I realized there were no rhymes. It feels rhymed. The steady iambic rhythm isn&#039;t enough to create that impression by itself. I guess it comes partly from internal half rhymes, like snow…slowly, receding…receding…revealed etc. But also from the sense of balanced ideas. Congratulations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful poem. I read it right through before I realized there were no rhymes. It feels rhymed. The steady iambic rhythm isn&#8217;t enough to create that impression by itself. I guess it comes partly from internal half rhymes, like snow…slowly, receding…receding…revealed etc. But also from the sense of balanced ideas. Congratulations.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poem of the Week: Sharon Olds by B. Pres</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B. Pres]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, this one sneaks up on you.  My first read-through of this I got to the end and thought, &quot;what fluff!  Okay, Sharon Olds, if you say so.&quot;  But then I gave it a second read and the genius of her expression and observations jumped out at me: &quot;I thought you were married to and, who was often

somewhere in the sentence, holding things

together, while you would be standing, a tin

soldier, the rifle barrel of your h

sticking up over your shoulder.&quot;

or &quot;I felt a little

sorry for you, always announcing,

never the thing itself. &quot;

Dang, Sharon Olds, you stinker you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this one sneaks up on you.  My first read-through of this I got to the end and thought, &#8220;what fluff!  Okay, Sharon Olds, if you say so.&#8221;  But then I gave it a second read and the genius of her expression and observations jumped out at me: &#8220;I thought you were married to and, who was often</p>
<p>somewhere in the sentence, holding things</p>
<p>together, while you would be standing, a tin</p>
<p>soldier, the rifle barrel of your h</p>
<p>sticking up over your shoulder.&#8221;</p>
<p>or &#8220;I felt a little</p>
<p>sorry for you, always announcing,</p>
<p>never the thing itself. &#8221;</p>
<p>Dang, Sharon Olds, you stinker you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The difference between a loose cannon and a free thinker by Exec.Walls</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Exec.Walls]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 13:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very relatable article. The conscious observer, the thoughtful individual, quickly learns that criticizing the status quo or the establishment (no matter how constructively he/she critiques it) can be viewed as a challenge and an obstruction to the way things are done. In order to find the answer, one doesn&#039;t merely dwell upon the problem continuously, but applies him/herself to the solution. I love the fact that the author, Mr. Weil, details his high-moments; moments that provide an answer to his frustrations with the establishment. There&#039;s something to be learned from his approach and it can be summed up in his quote, &quot;I don’t like being controlled and I hate controlling people.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very relatable article. The conscious observer, the thoughtful individual, quickly learns that criticizing the status quo or the establishment (no matter how constructively he/she critiques it) can be viewed as a challenge and an obstruction to the way things are done. In order to find the answer, one doesn&#8217;t merely dwell upon the problem continuously, but applies him/herself to the solution. I love the fact that the author, Mr. Weil, details his high-moments; moments that provide an answer to his frustrations with the establishment. There&#8217;s something to be learned from his approach and it can be summed up in his quote, &#8220;I don’t like being controlled and I hate controlling people.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tips for Doing a Poetry Reading by David J. Bauman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David J. Bauman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for addressing this head on! I took my son to a reading at a local university which has a great reputation for poetry. Unfortunately even the guest poet spoke to the podium, not to the audience, and the majority of the students in the writing program read so quietly and tonelessly that I wanted to stand up and shout, &quot;Don&#039;t you people want your work to be heard? This is why people consider poetry boring!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for addressing this head on! I took my son to a reading at a local university which has a great reputation for poetry. Unfortunately even the guest poet spoke to the podium, not to the audience, and the majority of the students in the writing program read so quietly and tonelessly that I wanted to stand up and shout, &#8220;Don&#8217;t you people want your work to be heard? This is why people consider poetry boring!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on “What Becomes of Us as We Read?”: Ashbery and Ethical Criticism by Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2014 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Ory,


Thanks for your comments.  I wrestled with this essay because I felt, as you did, that to even utter or mutter the word &quot;poetry&quot; with the more staid and ostensibly yawn-inducing &quot;ethics&quot; was to risk reducing one of the greatest art forms in the world, ever, to some dusty obscure and pedantic exercise in moral philosophy.  


I guess ultimately I agree with you, that &quot;poetry admits ethical criticism...in the same way that every human action does, not in a different way.&quot;  I would only add that, because something takes place between two people (writer and reader), that something has an ethical dimension, just as it has a very vital and very important aesthetic dimension.  We talk about the aesthetic dimension a lot in essays about poetry - talk about form, style, content, vision - but what does it mean to talk about that ethical dimension?  That&#039;s I guess what I was wondering about when I wrote the essay, How we talk about ethics without reducing poetry to non-poetry.  Nussbaum, for me, is good on this topic - she talks about the relationship between style, say, and ethical content, and she uses Plato and his dialogues as a fascinating example.  


As far as surreal poems not lending themselves to questions about ethics, I want to agree with you, but I do disagree.  Simply because reading such a poem involves two people, even the most decadent symbolist art for art&#039;s sake poetry can lend itself to ethical criticism (thought hopefully a robust, as opposed to anemic, one).  That would probably make an interesting essay, now that I think about it!  :)  


At any rate, thank you again for writing and sharing your thoughts and poetry.  I wish you all the best,


Andrew]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Ory,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.  I wrestled with this essay because I felt, as you did, that to even utter or mutter the word &#8220;poetry&#8221; with the more staid and ostensibly yawn-inducing &#8220;ethics&#8221; was to risk reducing one of the greatest art forms in the world, ever, to some dusty obscure and pedantic exercise in moral philosophy.  </p>
<p>I guess ultimately I agree with you, that &#8220;poetry admits ethical criticism&#8230;in the same way that every human action does, not in a different way.&#8221;  I would only add that, because something takes place between two people (writer and reader), that something has an ethical dimension, just as it has a very vital and very important aesthetic dimension.  We talk about the aesthetic dimension a lot in essays about poetry &#8211; talk about form, style, content, vision &#8211; but what does it mean to talk about that ethical dimension?  That&#8217;s I guess what I was wondering about when I wrote the essay, How we talk about ethics without reducing poetry to non-poetry.  Nussbaum, for me, is good on this topic &#8211; she talks about the relationship between style, say, and ethical content, and she uses Plato and his dialogues as a fascinating example.  </p>
<p>As far as surreal poems not lending themselves to questions about ethics, I want to agree with you, but I do disagree.  Simply because reading such a poem involves two people, even the most decadent symbolist art for art&#8217;s sake poetry can lend itself to ethical criticism (thought hopefully a robust, as opposed to anemic, one).  That would probably make an interesting essay, now that I think about it!  :)  </p>
<p>At any rate, thank you again for writing and sharing your thoughts and poetry.  I wish you all the best,</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>Comment on “What Becomes of Us as We Read?”: Ashbery and Ethical Criticism by Greg Ory</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Ory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2014 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your essay is very well written. Yet although I understand your concern for the ethical dimension of poetry, I believe good poetry is often &quot;beyond good and evil&quot; (to cite Nietzsche), otherwise it would limit its function to a sort of applied moral philosophy. Poetry admits ethical criticism, I believe, in the same way that every human action does, not in a different way. When a poet&#039;s work approaches a rather surrealistic sphere, it becomes difficult to assign a certain moral message to his poems. Many 19. century poets would write solely for the sake of beauty (l&#039;art pour l&#039;art). 


In my blog, I published a poem the function of which is not to convey any ethical message, a poem just for the sake of the mere images - certainly not &quot;neutral starting points for thought,&quot; but neutral inasmuch as it neutralises, in some ways, the reader&#039;s expectation to know better how to behave once she has read it...    

http://greg-ory.blogspot.co.uk]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your essay is very well written. Yet although I understand your concern for the ethical dimension of poetry, I believe good poetry is often &#8220;beyond good and evil&#8221; (to cite Nietzsche), otherwise it would limit its function to a sort of applied moral philosophy. Poetry admits ethical criticism, I believe, in the same way that every human action does, not in a different way. When a poet&#8217;s work approaches a rather surrealistic sphere, it becomes difficult to assign a certain moral message to his poems. Many 19. century poets would write solely for the sake of beauty (l&#8217;art pour l&#8217;art). </p>
<p>In my blog, I published a poem the function of which is not to convey any ethical message, a poem just for the sake of the mere images &#8211; certainly not &#8220;neutral starting points for thought,&#8221; but neutral inasmuch as it neutralises, in some ways, the reader&#8217;s expectation to know better how to behave once she has read it&#8230;    </p>
<p><a href="http://greg-ory.blogspot.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://greg-ory.blogspot.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Poem of the Week: Elizabeth Cantwell by Jane Arden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Arden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I loved to hear you reading this!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved to hear you reading this!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tips for Doing a Poetry Reading by tcs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tcs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2014 06:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d love to take a class like this - I suspect that my poetry on the page, and not just my reading of it, would improve a lot. Who knows, if I can get enough writer friends in my area together I might just informally organize something like this myself...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to take a class like this &#8211; I suspect that my poetry on the page, and not just my reading of it, would improve a lot. Who knows, if I can get enough writer friends in my area together I might just informally organize something like this myself&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tips for Doing a Poetry Reading by srirachacha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[srirachacha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 06:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would take this class]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would take this class</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Problems and Potential of Slam by Babette Post</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Babette Post]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2014 23:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slams are designed to divide real poets and have them at each other&#039;s throats. It is bullying at its very worst. It makes poets reactive instead of reflective. Instead of looking to unite the room, to find the God in the Audience the slam poet fights to become God. It is poetry for a brave new world. Timed. Hemmed in. Judged. One winner and a room full of angry losers. Poetry dies at a slam and the real poet dies with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slams are designed to divide real poets and have them at each other&#8217;s throats. It is bullying at its very worst. It makes poets reactive instead of reflective. Instead of looking to unite the room, to find the God in the Audience the slam poet fights to become God. It is poetry for a brave new world. Timed. Hemmed in. Judged. One winner and a room full of angry losers. Poetry dies at a slam and the real poet dies with it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thirteen of the Best Poetry Collections for 2013: Books That Will Sustain a Lifetime and Another and Another by RM O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RM O'Brien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your opening paragraph really needs to name some names. Who are these awful hipster poets with their haircuts and privilege? I&#039;ll supply the pitchforks and torches. (Is it OK if I use my trust fund $$$ for that?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your opening paragraph really needs to name some names. Who are these awful hipster poets with their haircuts and privilege? I&#8217;ll supply the pitchforks and torches. (Is it OK if I use my trust fund $$$ for that?)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thirteen of the Best Poetry Collections for 2013: Books That Will Sustain a Lifetime and Another and Another by Henry Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Gould]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s Bachelard.  Gaston Bachelard, &quot;Poetics of Space&quot;.  And it&#039;s Ashbery, not Ashbury.  Basic name-spelling accuracy is fairly important in poetry &amp; poetry criticism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Bachelard.  Gaston Bachelard, &#8220;Poetics of Space&#8221;.  And it&#8217;s Ashbery, not Ashbury.  Basic name-spelling accuracy is fairly important in poetry &amp; poetry criticism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thirteen of the Best Poetry Collections for 2013: Books That Will Sustain a Lifetime and Another and Another by PermDude</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PermDude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2014 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Link for Mary&#039;s book:  http://www.blacklawrence.com/o-holy-insurgency/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link for Mary&#8217;s book:  <a href="http://www.blacklawrence.com/o-holy-insurgency/" rel="nofollow">http://www.blacklawrence.com/o-holy-insurgency/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Poem of the Week: Jay Thomas Bad Heart Bull by Ross McPherson</title>
		<link>https://thethepoetry.com/2013/03/poem-of-the-week-jay-thomas-bad-heart-bull/comment-page-1/#comment-1915</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross McPherson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Dec 2013 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Memorable phrasing with a nice lyrical quality.The meaning is very allusive and I don&#039;t know why (smoke-like?). Lyricism allows for definite meanings in poetry, even gives meanings a canonical finality. Or is that old fashioned? Anyway clearer meaning would be my preference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Memorable phrasing with a nice lyrical quality.The meaning is very allusive and I don&#8217;t know why (smoke-like?). Lyricism allows for definite meanings in poetry, even gives meanings a canonical finality. Or is that old fashioned? Anyway clearer meaning would be my preference.</p>
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